Bible Verse's trinitarians try to use to support the trinity (part 1)


Hi everyone. So, as I stated in my video here are some Bible Verses people try to use to support the trinity. But as I also stated in my video when these verses are put to the test with the whole Bible they fail to support the trinity.


Number 1: Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

The part in question here is “they shall call his name Emmanuel”. Emmanuel means God with us or God is with us. Now names do have meanings. Let’s look at a few examples. 

Jehu=Yahweh is He (1 King 16:1)

Eliathah=God has come (1 Chronicles 25:4)

So, Jehu's name means Yahweh is He. Does that mean Jehu is God? No, it is just the meaning of his name. Likewise for Eliathah. Eliathah's name means God has come. Does that mean God was Eliathah? No, once again it is just a meaning of the name. 

How about Caleb (Joshua 14:6)? His name means a dog. Does that mean he was a dog? No, it is just a meaning of the name.

So, names have meanings but that is it, they are just meanings.  


Now God (Yahweh) was with Jesus (Yeshua) leading him every step of the way. Let’s read 2 Corinthians 5:19 

2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” 

This verse states that God was IN Christ, NOT God was Christ. You need to read what is exactly written.

So overall you cannot not take name meanings literally. If you do, then you would be saying that Jehu was God and he wasn’t, and you would be saying that Caleb was a dog though he was not.

Jesus is not God, but the Son of God.



Number 2: John 10:30 “I and my father are one.”

Here is another verse people try to use to prove the trinity, but once again these people have taken the verse out of context.

Jesus (Yeshua) always did God’s (Yahweh's) Will and so therefore Jesus and God have one purpose. They are on the same page, the same team, etc. This verse is not saying that they are both God. Not only that but I will add the fact that the trinity doctrine also states that the holy spirit is God too and here in this verse it is only talking about Jesus and God. So, trinitarians once again you have a problem.

Now let’s read everything Jesus says here in the chapter. 

John 10:25-30 “Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”

In the first sentence Jesus states “the works that I do in my Father’s name”. 

First off remember Deuteronomy 6:4 which states that God is One LORD, and our One LORD has one name. That is Yahweh. And Jesus states here that he does works in his Father's name. And who is his father? That is Yahweh. Jesus does as God tells him. So, this lines up with the fact that God and Jesus are working for the same purpose. Ok now let's read John 17:21-22.

John 17:21-22 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:”

So here Jesus says “that they may also be one in us”. If you say that when Jesus said “I and my father are one” (John 10:30) means that they are both God, then that means that you think that we are going to be God as well because Jesus states “that they may also be one in us” here in John 17:21.

That’s ridiculous, right? Right. Jesus and God are working for the same purpose and they want us on the same page with them. That is all that is being stated here. No trinity at all.

Now going back to John 10:30 it clearly shows that Jesus was stating that he had the same purpose as God did. And here Jesus is talking about his ability to keep the sheep (the believers) who came to him. And he says that no one can take them out of his hand and no one can take them out of his father’s hand. And who is his father? God is. Jesus is not the father of himself.

So in conclusion, the verse “I and my father are one” (John 10:30) means that Jesus and God have one purpose and that is to keep and protect the sheep. 

 




 

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